Sunday, May 22, 2005

Yes, well, that’s the price one pays for freeriding.

“Finnish meteorology equipment maker Vaisala is to close its lightning detection technology facility in Aix-en-Provence, southern France, the company said in a statement on Thursday.

In a move to increase efficiency, the company has decided to concentrate all its lightning detection technology research and development in its US office, located in Tuscon, the statement added.”


One of the consequences of freeridership is that you’ll always be buffeted about by those economies that are more flexible. There is a certain justice meted out if nations intend to engage in global trade.

“Vaisala has offered its Aix-en-Provence employees the option of relocating to other Vaisala facilities.”

The weather in Tucson is actually not that much different from Aix-en-Provence.

13 Comments:

Blogger M said...

You have this Nietzschean/nazist look on the welfare state which I find inconsistent.

While Nietzsche/nazis considered jews to be the scum of the earth, weak and impure race etc., on the other hand people were always told how big threat they were to the superior aryan race.

Same goes with your welfare state /freeriding argument. Even being the weakest form of governace/state, welfare states are always capable of exploiting USA (superior nation) and other countries.

2:21 AM  
Anonymous jussi said...

You argue like a simpleton, Finnpundit.

Why do you think so many manufacturing jobs have left the States for the far east - it wouldn't be because the yanks want to freeride on labor for next to nothing, would it?

You freeriding yanks are such hypocrites. You don't want to give a good day's pay for a good day's work... and never have. Cheapskates!

3:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"You freeriding yanks are such hypocrites"

He's just a wannabe.

6:45 AM  
Blogger Finnpundit said...

M, your notion that the welfare state is the weakest form of governance is absurd. The welfare state exerts control in so many aspects of society, there is simply no way you can call it weak. And try to grow up from using facile Nazi analogies, as they basically readily elicit Godwin's Law.

10:15 AM  
Blogger Finnpundit said...

Jussi: The Chinese are not complaining when they get the work from the US; in fact, they're very appreciate of it.

The big cheapskates are the welfare states who, through trade barriers, don't want to share their wealth with the rest of the world.

These are elementary principles. Yet in bigoted, protectionist Finland they naturally get perverted. Thus your perceptions have become distorted, too.

10:19 AM  
Blogger M said...

M, your notion that the welfare state is the weakest form of governance is absurd. The welfare state exerts control in so many aspects of society, there is simply no way you can call it weak. And try to grow up from using facile Nazi analogies, as they basically readily elicit Godwin's Law.

Actually, I thought it was you who was always claiming how welfare states lose their jobs etc. to USA, because they're not "flexible", how US has superior system and so on.

And about Godwin's law... You may well leave the nazis out of my argument and just consider Nietzsche. And so what if they elicit Godwin's law? Does it say something about the validity of arguments? (Another chance for you to show off how familiar you're with internet culture). I do agree comparing to nazis is somewhat facile, but it doesn't take away the contradiction I tried to point out.

You seem to be quite keen on laws despite being libertarian.

12:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure if you have some massive and deep knowledge of international economics that I can't even start to fathom, or whether you are just ignoring annoying facts. What is the massive ammounts of US agricultural subsidies if not protectionism? I know that the Brazilians as one obvious example believe that they are. Dozens of senators and congressmen rely on agricultural lobbies for support so there is as little interest in lowering them as there is in the EU. Secondly - the EU (now more people than the US) buy chinese products - so the "American consumer-worker" hasn't lifted China out poverty single handedly, the rest of the "west" has helped out.

Also what is EU enlargement if it isn't the core of EU lifting the former communist countries out of poverty?

The US recently lost the steel tariffs case through the WTO also - in fact I think in EU-US trade problems the US has lost more case recently than it has won.

12:01 PM  
Blogger Finnpundit said...

All agricultural subsidies are a problem, and should be eradicated. However, in terms of subsidies per GNP, Europe by far is the worse culprit, with twice as much as the US. But even worse, the EU generally doesn't want these subsidies lifted, while the US is actually making inroads against them (it's all about domestic political resistance).

As to China, the US very much single-handedly lifted the Chinese out of poverty. The only reason Chinese products are flooding the European market is because the Chinese yuan is pegged to the dollar, and the rising euro has meant that Chinese goods are even cheaper than before.

As to Eastern Europe, yes, it is good that they are being lifted out of poverty. The problem is that the EU is also forcing them to adopt welfare statist policies - when it should consider listening to their experiences under excessive socialism.

The steel tariff case was a basic message sent out by the US: if you want, we'll use tariffs as a weapon, too. However, I don't think that it was accompanied by the correct political message. That got overshadowed by the Iraq war. The administration knew that it would eventually be found to be wrong, yet the crucial months did help the US steel industry. But just imagine if the US did that on a continuing basis, say, as a retaliation for something....

It's an effective weapon, something freeriders should worry about.

3:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

M has displayed his crass ignorance: Nietzche was a strong individualist and despised the mass organizations and exhibitions who were the hallmark of the Nazis. And Nietsche had its anti-semitic days but also its philo-semitic ones: if Nietzche was so anti-semitic how it is that he directly inspired Jewish philosopher Emmanuel Lasker who lived in times of the Nazis?

If we search for close ideological relatives of the Nazis we should look in the direction of the communists (the guys who allied with the Nazis) and presnt days leftists and liberals. Am I the one who finds funny how strongly the left reacts when Israelis shoot a terrorist who was trying to kill one of their child while showing complete indifference toward the millions killed and raped in Sudan.
The truth is that the leftist "pro-palestinism" hides a genocidal hate of the Jews. It is a mere nazism for cowards.

2:46 PM  
Blogger M said...

"M has displayed his crass ignorance: Nietzche was a strong individualist and despised the mass organizations and exhibitions who were the hallmark of the Nazis."

I wasn't talking about Nietzsche's views on society, I was talking about his views on his "enemies", priests and jews. As Finndpundit sees his enemy, the welfare state both weak and extremely powerful (capable of exploiting USA), so did Nietzsche. Priests (and jews) were lowest of the lowest in human race, but still soooo dangerous to all mankind.

"if Nietzche was so anti-semitic how it is that he directly inspired Jewish philosopher Emmanuel Lasker who lived in times of the Nazis?"

Well, if he did, Nietzsche had nothing to do with it. It wasn't his choice.

"If we search for close ideological relatives of the Nazis we should look in the direction of the communists (the guys who allied with the Nazis) and presnt days leftists and liberals."

Remember, also USA and UK allied with communists while Nazis tried to destroy Soviet Union. But I agree, communism (in the form it was in Soviet) is the closest ideology to the nazis.

"he truth is that the leftist "pro-palestinism" hides a genocidal hate of the Jews. It is a mere nazism for cowards."

BS. Has nothing to do with race. It's the actions of both governments, that are the problem.

6:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

M said about Nietszche having a decisive influence on Lasker's philosophy

Well, if he did, Nietzsche had nothing to do with it. It wasn't his choice.

But then how it is that Lasker didn't find Nietzscheism repellent? And while we are at it can you post a few quotes about Nietsche's views on Jews and about Germans being the master race? I don't see what is specially anti-semitic and pro-german in what he says about Jews and Germans in "So spoke Zarathustra", if anything the virtues he attributes to Germans makes them easy to manipulate and dangerous.


M said (about the leftist indifference to the Sudanese problem respective to the lavish attention they dedicate to the Palestinian problem)

BS. Has nothing to do with race. It's the actions of both governments, that are the problem.

Yes it has. Let's see: the Sudanese governemnt, arab militias and imported jihadis have killed about 300 or 400 hundred times more people than Israel has killed Palestinians (I will pass on the differnce that the dead Sudanese were not terrorists trying to kill children) since 1948 but the leftists have spent about 1000 times more energy on Palestinians than on Sudanese so either it is an indifference to Blacks that would disgust even "moderate" Klan members or hiden Nazism. People who don't have the cojones to confess their antisemitism hide it under a pro-palestian varnish. What I defined as Nazism for cowards.

8:17 AM  
Blogger M said...

"But then how it is that Lasker didn't find Nietzscheism repellent?"

I don't know.

And while we are at it can you post a few quotes about Nietsche's views on Jews and about Germans being the master race?"

Nietzsche - The Antichrist
"Here we are among Jews: this is the first thing to be borne in mind if we are not to lose the thread of the matter. This positive genius for conjuring up a delusion of personal "holiness" unmatched anywhere else, either in books or by men; this elevation of fraud in word and attitude to the level of an art--all this is not an accident due to the chance talents of an individual, or to any violation of nature. The thing responsible is race. The whole of Judaism appears in Christianity as the art of concocting holy lies, and there, after many centuries of earnest Jewish training and hard practice of Jewish technic, the business comes to the stage of mastery. The Christian, that ultima ratio of lying, is the Jew all over again--he is threefold the Jew. . ."

- But after re-reading some of that book, I think you're right about Nietzsche and Jews, he wasn't what you could call anti-semite, even he inspired many of them.
- Anyway, my argument was not about anti-semitism, it was about how one tries to present one's enemies both weak and strong.

"about the leftist indifference to the Sudanese problem respective to the lavish attention they dedicate to the Palestinian problem"

Well, the thing is... I think many european leftists feel they are more "on the same page" with Israelis and Israel government than with sudanese government. Israel has parlamentary democracy, Sudan has religious military junta. Isreal is much wealthier than Sudan. So leftists are outraged because they think democracy like Israel shouldn't act the way it does.

4:03 PM  
Anonymous Juhani R. said...

BTW: Finnpundit: You say you'll a finn. Have you lived in Finland? Did you grew up in here? Did you use our health care system or educational system? I mean do you know something about our daily lives and how that welfare state thing which you seem to hate affects in our lives?

10:10 AM  

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